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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2003/08/11/commodity-fetishization-in-grading/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder to what extent we* comp teachers act and believe that the value of the paper is, if not a measure of, then an instantiation of qualities of the student. I don't mean that in the belles-lettrist inspired genius way so much as the "good thinking makes for good writing, so I'm rewarding good thinking" way. Substitute "revision" or "peer review" for "thinking" as you will. I know I certainly must do this to an extent.

[* Disclosure: I'm turning in grades for my last class (ever?) today. I'm not really a comp teacher anymore, am I?]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder to what extent we* comp teachers act and believe that the value of the paper is, if not a measure of, then an instantiation of qualities of the student. I don&#8217;t mean that in the belles-lettrist inspired genius way so much as the &#8220;good thinking makes for good writing, so I&#8217;m rewarding good thinking&#8221; way. Substitute &#8220;revision&#8221; or &#8220;peer review&#8221; for &#8220;thinking&#8221; as you will. I know I certainly must do this to an extent.</p>
<p>[* Disclosure: I'm turning in grades for my last class (ever?) today. I'm not really a comp teacher anymore, am I?]</p>
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		<title>By: Clancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mentioned the "socioeconomic relationships surrounding the production of the paper." I don't know exactly what you mean by this, but here's what popped into my mind: academic preparedness. Lots of times as I'm assessing student writing, I wonder if I'm basically rewarding a student for having gone to an expensive prep school that prepared him or her amply for writing academic discourse, whatever that is. It's very capitalist--the person who's already on third base doesn't have to work as hard to get that home run (grade of A), whereas a less-prepared person has to work that much harder and might still not get that A. Got any solutions, Mike?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mentioned the &#8220;socioeconomic relationships surrounding the production of the paper.&#8221; I don&#8217;t know exactly what you mean by this, but here&#8217;s what popped into my mind: academic preparedness. Lots of times as I&#8217;m assessing student writing, I wonder if I&#8217;m basically rewarding a student for having gone to an expensive prep school that prepared him or her amply for writing academic discourse, whatever that is. It&#8217;s very capitalist&#8211;the person who&#8217;s already on third base doesn&#8217;t have to work as hard to get that home run (grade of A), whereas a less-prepared person has to work that much harder and might still not get that A. Got any solutions, Mike?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2003/08/11/commodity-fetishization-in-grading/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

You're &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; a member of the Invisible Society of Composition Teachers, moving almost invisibly through the basement hallways of institutions of higher education across the nation. That's why you have those four Cs tattooed across the inside of your elbow, just as all of us do, so we can identify ourselves to one another and make the secret composition-teacher hooting call when we meet.

I mean. . .

You &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; have the tattoo, don't you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re <em>always</em> a member of the Invisible Society of Composition Teachers, moving almost invisibly through the basement hallways of institutions of higher education across the nation. That&#8217;s why you have those four Cs tattooed across the inside of your elbow, just as all of us do, so we can identify ourselves to one another and make the secret composition-teacher hooting call when we meet.</p>
<p>I mean. . .</p>
<p>You <em>do</em> have the tattoo, don&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2003/08/11/commodity-fetishization-in-grading/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike--

As you explore correlations between college composition and class, how have you accounted for the community college?  Back in the early 70s, Sam Bowles and a colleague did this analysis that suggested American higher ed is stratified, with the lowest classes going to community colleges and never getting out.  They drew in part on Burton Clark's study about the  "cooling out" function of CC's.  That's about the only intellectual construct I've seen university researchers use regarding CC students.  It was useful and provocative in its day, but my own experience says its way out of date.

In my view, class analysis is not terrifically useful at a community college.  Everyone comes  and we try to find the  right program and the appropriate challenge  for  them.  My college is in the middle of a an affluent suburb.  Many  students who qualify for the university come here  by choice or  necessity (parents' divorce, for instance).  The bulk of our faculty have strong anti-hierarchical and anti-elitism attitudes.

Now economic and material circumstances certainly affect our students, but I'm wondering how your research would  address class in a community college context.

[The CCCC tatoo is no  longer authorized, due to budget cutbacks in Urbana.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike&#8211;</p>
<p>As you explore correlations between college composition and class, how have you accounted for the community college?  Back in the early 70s, Sam Bowles and a colleague did this analysis that suggested American higher ed is stratified, with the lowest classes going to community colleges and never getting out.  They drew in part on Burton Clark&#8217;s study about the  &#8220;cooling out&#8221; function of CC&#8217;s.  That&#8217;s about the only intellectual construct I&#8217;ve seen university researchers use regarding CC students.  It was useful and provocative in its day, but my own experience says its way out of date.</p>
<p>In my view, class analysis is not terrifically useful at a community college.  Everyone comes  and we try to find the  right program and the appropriate challenge  for  them.  My college is in the middle of a an affluent suburb.  Many  students who qualify for the university come here  by choice or  necessity (parents&#8217; divorce, for instance).  The bulk of our faculty have strong anti-hierarchical and anti-elitism attitudes.</p>
<p>Now economic and material circumstances certainly affect our students, but I&#8217;m wondering how your research would  address class in a community college context.</p>
<p>[The CCCC tatoo is no  longer authorized, due to budget cutbacks in Urbana.]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2003/08/11/commodity-fetishization-in-grading/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Tough, tough question. I'm aware of the Bowles and Gintis study -- it shows up in every flippin bibliography I see -- so yeah, "Schooling in Capitalist America" is on my list for this month. And I kinda agree with their thesis. John Alberti had a nice piece on "second-tier" schools in the May 2001 CE; it seems to me instructive that a number of the Ivies &lt;em&gt;don't&lt;/em&gt; have required first-year composition courses (though, yes, of course, Harvard-where-it-all-started still does).

My own undergraduate education makes me see things a little differently from you. I started out at Small Expensive Competitive Private College, decided I didn't like it after a year and a half and transferred to Small Impoverished Campus of Big Wealthy County Community College for a semester, and then went to Big State U. Students' class-as-wealth and class-as-educational-preparedness and class-as-job-they-hoped-to-get-upon-graduation correlated very closely to the perceived "prestige" of the institutions.

I'm also aware that -- although composition gets taught in community colleges -- there seems to be a bit of classism in the journals; from what I understand, there's a perception of CCC as somehow belonging 'more' to 4-year schools and TETYC being the marginalized Other. So I think there is a class system in higher ed, and there are concentric or interlocking circles of class systems.

But none of that really answers your question. From reading your weblog, though, I'd suggest that community colleges seem to be even more on the vocational side of the vocational education / liberal education binary than do Alberti's "second-tier" schools. What's your take?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Tough, tough question. I&#8217;m aware of the Bowles and Gintis study &#8212; it shows up in every flippin bibliography I see &#8212; so yeah, &#8220;Schooling in Capitalist America&#8221; is on my list for this month. And I kinda agree with their thesis. John Alberti had a nice piece on &#8220;second-tier&#8221; schools in the May 2001 CE; it seems to me instructive that a number of the Ivies <em>don&#8217;t</em> have required first-year composition courses (though, yes, of course, Harvard-where-it-all-started still does).</p>
<p>My own undergraduate education makes me see things a little differently from you. I started out at Small Expensive Competitive Private College, decided I didn&#8217;t like it after a year and a half and transferred to Small Impoverished Campus of Big Wealthy County Community College for a semester, and then went to Big State U. Students&#8217; class-as-wealth and class-as-educational-preparedness and class-as-job-they-hoped-to-get-upon-graduation correlated very closely to the perceived &#8220;prestige&#8221; of the institutions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also aware that &#8212; although composition gets taught in community colleges &#8212; there seems to be a bit of classism in the journals; from what I understand, there&#8217;s a perception of CCC as somehow belonging &#8216;more&#8217; to 4-year schools and TETYC being the marginalized Other. So I think there is a class system in higher ed, and there are concentric or interlocking circles of class systems.</p>
<p>But none of that really answers your question. From reading your weblog, though, I&#8217;d suggest that community colleges seem to be even more on the vocational side of the vocational education / liberal education binary than do Alberti&#8217;s &#8220;second-tier&#8221; schools. What&#8217;s your take?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Clancy, I guess the class-as-educational-preparedness phenomenon I mentioned ties in very much to your question, and I'm afraid I have no answer. (No surprise there, right?) In some ways, the situation seems to involve conflicting ideals over how democratic education should work: should instruction be the ladder that gives all students an equal amount of rungs to see over the economic fence, so that those who are taller maintain their natural advantage (I know, lousy metaphor), or should it be the rising tide that lifts all boats &lt;em&gt;to the same level&lt;/em&gt;? Do you give every student the same thing, or make sure every student gets to the same point?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Clancy, I guess the class-as-educational-preparedness phenomenon I mentioned ties in very much to your question, and I&#8217;m afraid I have no answer. (No surprise there, right?) In some ways, the situation seems to involve conflicting ideals over how democratic education should work: should instruction be the ladder that gives all students an equal amount of rungs to see over the economic fence, so that those who are taller maintain their natural advantage (I know, lousy metaphor), or should it be the rising tide that lifts all boats <em>to the same level</em>? Do you give every student the same thing, or make sure every student gets to the same point?</p>
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