Comments on: The Misfit’s Fisheries http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2003/12/09/the-misfits-fisheries/ faults | sins | abuses Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:31:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: clew http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2003/12/09/the-misfits-fisheries/#comment-382 clew Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/archives/2003/12/09/the-misfits-fisheries/#comment-382 Have you read any of Elinor Ostrom's books on common resources, e.g. Governing the Commons? Have you read any of Elinor Ostrom’s books on common resources, e.g. Governing the Commons?

]]> By: Mike http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2003/12/09/the-misfits-fisheries/#comment-383 Mike Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/archives/2003/12/09/the-misfits-fisheries/#comment-383 No, I haven't -- what sort of perspective is Ostrom coming from? I have to say, I was interested to see Shoshana Zuboff on your list of recent reviews -- her 1988 <em>In the Age of the Smart Machine</em> seemed to me to do some really interesting stuff anticipating the tech-will-change-consciousness work of Sherry Turkle et al., only with a much more cautious (and intelligently so, to my mind) or perhaps even cautionary perspective. No, I haven’t — what sort of perspective is Ostrom coming from?

I have to say, I was interested to see Shoshana Zuboff on your list of recent reviews — her 1988 In the Age of the Smart Machine seemed to me to do some really interesting stuff anticipating the tech-will-change-consciousness work of Sherry Turkle et al., only with a much more cautious (and intelligently so, to my mind) or perhaps even cautionary perspective.

]]> By: clew http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2003/12/09/the-misfits-fisheries/#comment-384 clew Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/archives/2003/12/09/the-misfits-fisheries/#comment-384 What I've read of Ostrom's work: descriptions of actual, generations-old common resources and how they're managed. I remember a lot of irrigation works, examples from several continents, and the social/religious/political systems to share out the work and the rewards differed quite a lot. Most of them were under stress from outside and some were more resilient than others. I think that was some of the first solid explanation of why "the tragedy of the commons" is a) not inevitable and b) a really poor choice of name. She's written a lot since then, I think she is now a Name on co-written books, but I haven't kept up. I was actually looking for ...Smart Machine, but it was out and the library had this later book instead. I'll try again, but I might just be completely out of phase with her writing. I like your blog because, of all the writers who read... I don't even know what it's called; very reflexive and in danger of equivocation... I get the best sense that there is an actual subject under discussion from you. Someday I may understand a question. What I’ve read of Ostrom’s work: descriptions of actual, generations-old common resources and how they’re managed. I remember a lot of irrigation works, examples from several continents, and the social/religious/political systems to share out the work and the rewards differed quite a lot. Most of them were under stress from outside and some were more resilient than others.

I think that was some of the first solid explanation of why “the tragedy of the commons” is a) not inevitable and b) a really poor choice of name. She’s written a lot since then, I think she is now a Name on co-written books, but I haven’t kept up.

I was actually looking for …Smart Machine, but it was out and the library had this later book instead. I’ll try again, but I might just be completely out of phase with her writing.

I like your blog because, of all the writers who read… I don’t even know what it’s called; very reflexive and in danger of equivocation… I get the best sense that there is an actual subject under discussion from you. Someday I may understand a question.

]]> By: Mike http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2003/12/09/the-misfits-fisheries/#comment-385 Mike Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/archives/2003/12/09/the-misfits-fisheries/#comment-385 Hm. I think such a "solid explanation" would certainly help me some, largely because I share much of Hardin's pessimism about the way people will act <em>on their own</em>, but intensely dislike his Malthusian perspective, and so hope to perhaps find some non-individually-based concrete economic understanding of <em>how</em> it might be "not inevitable". Thanks for the recommendation: definitely have to check it out. Hm. I think such a “solid explanation” would certainly help me some, largely because I share much of Hardin’s pessimism about the way people will act on their own, but intensely dislike his Malthusian perspective, and so hope to perhaps find some non-individually-based concrete economic understanding of how it might be “not inevitable”. Thanks for the recommendation: definitely have to check it out.

]]> By: clew http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2003/12/09/the-misfits-fisheries/#comment-386 clew Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/archives/2003/12/09/the-misfits-fisheries/#comment-386 If you're willing to sign in at Amazon, "Search Inside" Governing the Commons : The Evolution of Institutions for Collective Action for Alanya; pp. 18-20 describe "An Empirical Alternative" to the tragedy, or Leviathan, or privatization. If you’re willing to sign in at Amazon, “Search Inside”
Governing the Commons : The Evolution of Institutions for Collective Action
for Alanya; pp. 18-20 describe “An Empirical Alternative” to the tragedy, or Leviathan, or privatization.

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