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	<description>faults &#124; sins &#124; abuses</description>
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		<title>By: torill</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2004/01/29/call-and-response/#comment-447</link>
		<dc:creator>torill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"As I've said before, this would be a fundamental uncoupling of writing from the notion of property, to the point where I might imagine group-authored essays circulating through my institution's 80+ sections of first-year composition, open to revision and collaboration."

This sounds more like what we do in the parts of the education where we teach practical skills, however at a MUCH smaller scale.  Volda College has 2000 students, department of media studies have 2-300 of these - sounds like a different world.  

Students constantly work in groups and in workshops, presenting their material for each other, comenting on eachother's material, sharing responsibilities and doing the final editing in groups.  They all have responsibility for the quality of the finished work, and we don't put a name or a grade on it, as long as 1) they worked and 2) they documented the process towards the finished work.

For my students that is a very different process from that of the journalism students.  This is mainly because journalists work on their seperate little items and rather monotonous tasks, while public relations groups work for their employer on large, complex tasks.  Where journalists become experts of writing articles, public relations students are supposed to be multi-geniouses in the area of communication.  And since they can't exell at all, from research to presentation, a very important part of our trtaining is for them to understand the process of cooperation as much as the process of creation.

This way of working is however, in my case, developed from the demands of the complex task at hand.  It is very hard to transfer this to different types of work.  The same students, when faced with publishing within the same rules as the journalists, are as teritorial as the journalists.  They are a little more easygoing about it, not so driven when it comes to profiling their own name.  They know, after all, that for them having a "name" might be more of a problem than a help, and that being versatile and cooperative is more appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As I&#8217;ve said before, this would be a fundamental uncoupling of writing from the notion of property, to the point where I might imagine group-authored essays circulating through my institution&#8217;s 80+ sections of first-year composition, open to revision and collaboration.&#8221;</p>
<p>This sounds more like what we do in the parts of the education where we teach practical skills, however at a MUCH smaller scale.  Volda College has 2000 students, department of media studies have 2-300 of these - sounds like a different world.  </p>
<p>Students constantly work in groups and in workshops, presenting their material for each other, comenting on eachother&#8217;s material, sharing responsibilities and doing the final editing in groups.  They all have responsibility for the quality of the finished work, and we don&#8217;t put a name or a grade on it, as long as 1) they worked and 2) they documented the process towards the finished work.</p>
<p>For my students that is a very different process from that of the journalism students.  This is mainly because journalists work on their seperate little items and rather monotonous tasks, while public relations groups work for their employer on large, complex tasks.  Where journalists become experts of writing articles, public relations students are supposed to be multi-geniouses in the area of communication.  And since they can&#8217;t exell at all, from research to presentation, a very important part of our trtaining is for them to understand the process of cooperation as much as the process of creation.</p>
<p>This way of working is however, in my case, developed from the demands of the complex task at hand.  It is very hard to transfer this to different types of work.  The same students, when faced with publishing within the same rules as the journalists, are as teritorial as the journalists.  They are a little more easygoing about it, not so driven when it comes to profiling their own name.  They know, after all, that for them having a &#8220;name&#8221; might be more of a problem than a help, and that being versatile and cooperative is more appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2004/01/29/call-and-response/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You indicate  what you are   thinking "goes far  beyond the universal  syllabus" I  suggested.  OK,  do some mapping of  "far  beyond."  If you don't  see  the project  focused  on the college  writing requirement,  do you see  it  focused  on the various writing demands  that  develop  in colleges?  If this project isn't a course,  is  it  a program?  Or is  it  an institutional  revolution? [I'll  confess I'm very skeptical of  proposals  to  transform  whole  institutions.]  

What  I  understood the original proposal to  involve  would be some several  of us trying to use some  of this  web  technology to collaborate on a  new  approach to the  teaching  of  composition  in colleges.  The approach  would  challenge  conventional boundaries and see the production of texts as inherently worthy and authorless  (in conventional  terms).   

While a wiki sounds like  a  good environment  to  work in, I still need  more  texture for "far  beyond."  Or do you want  to wait  until you have the environment for  the  discussion created before we  all get engaged  in "purpose  and audience"  colloquy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You indicate  what you are   thinking &#8220;goes far  beyond the universal  syllabus&#8221; I  suggested.  OK,  do some mapping of  &#8220;far  beyond.&#8221;  If you don&#8217;t  see  the project  focused  on the college  writing requirement,  do you see  it  focused  on the various writing demands  that  develop  in colleges?  If this project isn&#8217;t a course,  is  it  a program?  Or is  it  an institutional  revolution? [I'll  confess I'm very skeptical of  proposals  to  transform  whole  institutions.]  </p>
<p>What  I  understood the original proposal to  involve  would be some several  of us trying to use some  of this  web  technology to collaborate on a  new  approach to the  teaching  of  composition  in colleges.  The approach  would  challenge  conventional boundaries and see the production of texts as inherently worthy and authorless  (in conventional  terms).   </p>
<p>While a wiki sounds like  a  good environment  to  work in, I still need  more  texture for &#8220;far  beyond.&#8221;  Or do you want  to wait  until you have the environment for  the  discussion created before we  all get engaged  in &#8220;purpose  and audience&#8221;  colloquy?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2004/01/29/call-and-response/#comment-449</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I'm similarly skeptical of such revolutionary proposals. What I'm suggesting is not so much a syllabus as a way of thinking about writing in the classroom; assignments that require and foster collaboration -- so, yes, the "production of texts as inherently worthy and authorless"; texts that could be shared and "open". Actually, now that I think of it, a syllabus is as good a framework as any to start with, since it lays out assignments, policies, and rationales -- so maybe not so "far beyond," after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I&#8217;m similarly skeptical of such revolutionary proposals. What I&#8217;m suggesting is not so much a syllabus as a way of thinking about writing in the classroom; assignments that require and foster collaboration &#8212; so, yes, the &#8220;production of texts as inherently worthy and authorless&#8221;; texts that could be shared and &#8220;open&#8221;. Actually, now that I think of it, a syllabus is as good a framework as any to start with, since it lays out assignments, policies, and rationales &#8212; so maybe not so &#8220;far beyond,&#8221; after all.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK--a wiki-built syllabus for  college writing.  

I'd love to  help  with the wiki, but  I  know nothing. I  don't  even know  the etymology of wiki.  Is it at  all related to "wikiup"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8211;a wiki-built syllabus for  college writing.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to  help  with the wiki, but  I  know nothing. I  don&#8217;t  even know  the etymology of wiki.  Is it at  all related to &#8220;wikiup&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2004/01/29/call-and-response/#comment-451</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just noticed this post and the previous one.  It is interesting that in an earlier era, nobody would have thought twice about free use and sharing of writings.  Intellectual property really is a very strained concept, but we have come to view it as the norm.

I've actually been working on a couple of things that are sort-of related to this project.  I've adapted a Wiki project into a more general content management systems.  The core functionality is there, but it needs some detail and polishing.  You should also check out Lessig's Creative Commons organization and their licenses.  I also have some notes on a paper I'm starting to work on comparing licensing schemes for sharing code vs. text, etc.  I'll forward you a copy.

Let me know what else I can contribute to your project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just noticed this post and the previous one.  It is interesting that in an earlier era, nobody would have thought twice about free use and sharing of writings.  Intellectual property really is a very strained concept, but we have come to view it as the norm.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve actually been working on a couple of things that are sort-of related to this project.  I&#8217;ve adapted a Wiki project into a more general content management systems.  The core functionality is there, but it needs some detail and polishing.  You should also check out Lessig&#8217;s Creative Commons organization and their licenses.  I also have some notes on a paper I&#8217;m starting to work on comparing licensing schemes for sharing code vs. text, etc.  I&#8217;ll forward you a copy.</p>
<p>Let me know what else I can contribute to your project.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2004/01/29/call-and-response/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I see you have a Creative Commons license on your site, I guess you have already looked at those.  I don't see an email address here, drop me a note and I'll forward the paper.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I see you have a Creative Commons license on your site, I guess you have already looked at those.  I don&#8217;t see an email address here, drop me a note and I&#8217;ll forward the paper.</p>
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