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	<title>Comments on: Not a Marxist, Revisited</title>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, Neil Postman refers to one line from The German Ideology in Technopoly: "As individuals express their life, so they are" (21). He attaches this concept to McLuhen and Thamus, but he does it briefly, without much development.  The development of this idea goes, "By connecting technological conditions to symbolic life and pyschic habits, Marx was doing nothing unusual" (24).  But I think you're saying (and I agree), that we should explore this rationale in light of rhetorical theory (which just might engulf "symbolic life" and "psychic habits").

It's fresh at my attention because I'm using Technopoly this semester, and the "as indiviuals" line from Marx set in action a fair amount of classroom fluster over what it might mean.  We started to talk about labor in less neatly economic terms such as "occupation" or "what we do," which turned to some discussion of rhetoric, and, I think, some interesting ways about thinking about technology (broadly) as forms which induce expressive occupation and, accordingly, which proliferate (new and different?) rhetorical relationships.  Dunno if this is helpful, but your entry echoed what I'd just read and watched unfold in EN106; figured I'd share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, Neil Postman refers to one line from The German Ideology in Technopoly: &#8220;As individuals express their life, so they are&#8221; (21). He attaches this concept to McLuhen and Thamus, but he does it briefly, without much development.  The development of this idea goes, &#8220;By connecting technological conditions to symbolic life and pyschic habits, Marx was doing nothing unusual&#8221; (24).  But I think you&#8217;re saying (and I agree), that we should explore this rationale in light of rhetorical theory (which just might engulf &#8220;symbolic life&#8221; and &#8220;psychic habits&#8221;).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fresh at my attention because I&#8217;m using Technopoly this semester, and the &#8220;as indiviuals&#8221; line from Marx set in action a fair amount of classroom fluster over what it might mean.  We started to talk about labor in less neatly economic terms such as &#8220;occupation&#8221; or &#8220;what we do,&#8221; which turned to some discussion of rhetoric, and, I think, some interesting ways about thinking about technology (broadly) as forms which induce expressive occupation and, accordingly, which proliferate (new and different?) rhetorical relationships.  Dunno if this is helpful, but your entry echoed what I&#8217;d just read and watched unfold in EN106; figured I&#8217;d share.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek,

Thanks for the feedback -- I picked up Postman from the library today, on your recommendation. It's a useful connection, I think, and Postman seems to make it more explicit. (And, re your other comment on Balkanization -- please, don't call it "butting in"; I'm really grateful for the comments.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek,</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback &#8212; I picked up Postman from the library today, on your recommendation. It&#8217;s a useful connection, I think, and Postman seems to make it more explicit. (And, re your other comment on Balkanization &#8212; please, don&#8217;t call it &#8220;butting in&#8221;; I&#8217;m really grateful for the comments.)</p>
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		<title>By: have not read the C, so...</title>
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		<dc:creator>have not read the C, so...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>production, I think marx was trying to say, circumscribed an area around the worker that served as a summation of his experience.  New materials, new markets; etc.  As far as "producing" subjectivity I will not comment, but I think Marx's passage is to be taken in the literal, world-as-content/content=perception kinda way.  But hey, I'd love to see some more notes on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>production, I think marx was trying to say, circumscribed an area around the worker that served as a summation of his experience.  New materials, new markets; etc.  As far as &#8220;producing&#8221; subjectivity I will not comment, but I think Marx&#8217;s passage is to be taken in the literal, world-as-content/content=perception kinda way.  But hey, I&#8217;d love to see some more notes on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: hmph</title>
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		<dc:creator>hmph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wait....... I think he's doing away with subjectivity completely; what is, is expression.  sounds familiar, or no?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wait&#8230;&#8230;. I think he&#8217;s doing away with subjectivity completely; what is, is expression.  sounds familiar, or no?</p>
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