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	<title>Comments on: Economics &#038; 2-Year Colleges</title>
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		<title>By: joanna</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2004/10/27/economics-2-year-colleges/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm going to link this to the CCE blog--you've got a lot of good thoughts here and it will help me get back to my Tinberg reading and posting.  Keep our school in mind next year--we usually have at least one opening a year as a good many faculty members have been retiring recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to link this to the CCE blog&#8211;you&#8217;ve got a lot of good thoughts here and it will help me get back to my Tinberg reading and posting.  Keep our school in mind next year&#8211;we usually have at least one opening a year as a good many faculty members have been retiring recently.</p>
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		<title>By: cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best news I've read today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best news I&#8217;ve read today!</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Ditz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Ditz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's see, I got here from some comments at Joanne Jacobs' blog.  

I vaguely remembered reading a blog by a fellow, PhD, who was teaching writing at a community college and was quite ascerbic on the lack of respect for CC instructors.  I didn't keep him on the blogroll, so I seached as follows:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22community+college%22+blog+%22teaching+english%22&#038;hl=en&#038;lr=&#038;c2coff=1&#038;start=10&#038;sa=N

This got me to 

http://twoyearcomp.blogspot.com/

Which got me to you.  

"This is because I believe that our so-called information economy is far more dependent on education than any previous economic system, and also because there's a growing inversion of roles, where economic concerns have an ever-increasing stake and involvement in the day-to-day practices of higher education. "

I think you are absolutely correct.  The scary thing for me, though, is--"the overhang"--the children born after say 1975 (?) who were subjected to poor pedagogy, and cannot write or think.  The overhang are those kids who didi not come from middle class backgrounds and so are uneducated, angry, ready to blame somebody for their anger and take what they think they deserve.  

If you haven't already, you may enjoy reading

http://www.swarthmore.edu/socsci/tburke1/perma102104.html

a snippet:

"I get fairly annoyed when either students or even sometimes colleagues call for some major new program without telling me what they intend to take away in return, or if not, where they intend to get new monies. [big snip] here is nothing that this institution or any institution does which is so morally or even practically necessary that we don’t need to talk concretely about what it costs. Cost-benefit analysis is a basic part of ethics, not a technical appendix to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see, I got here from some comments at Joanne Jacobs&#8217; blog.  </p>
<p>I vaguely remembered reading a blog by a fellow, PhD, who was teaching writing at a community college and was quite ascerbic on the lack of respect for CC instructors.  I didn&#8217;t keep him on the blogroll, so I seached as follows:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22community+college%22+blog+%22teaching+english%22&#038;hl=en&#038;lr=&#038;c2coff=1&#038;start=10&#038;sa=N" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=%22community+college%22+blog+%22teaching+english%22&#038;hl=en&#038;lr=&#038;c2coff=1&#038;start=10&#038;sa=N</a></p>
<p>This got me to </p>
<p><a href="http://twoyearcomp.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://twoyearcomp.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Which got me to you.  </p>
<p>&#8220;This is because I believe that our so-called information economy is far more dependent on education than any previous economic system, and also because there&#8217;s a growing inversion of roles, where economic concerns have an ever-increasing stake and involvement in the day-to-day practices of higher education. &#8221;</p>
<p>I think you are absolutely correct.  The scary thing for me, though, is&#8211;&#8221;the overhang&#8221;&#8211;the children born after say 1975 (?) who were subjected to poor pedagogy, and cannot write or think.  The overhang are those kids who didi not come from middle class backgrounds and so are uneducated, angry, ready to blame somebody for their anger and take what they think they deserve.  </p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t already, you may enjoy reading</p>
<p><a href="http://www.swarthmore.edu/socsci/tburke1/perma102104.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.swarthmore.edu/socsci/tburke1/perma102104.html</a></p>
<p>a snippet:</p>
<p>&#8220;I get fairly annoyed when either students or even sometimes colleagues call for some major new program without telling me what they intend to take away in return, or if not, where they intend to get new monies. [big snip] here is nothing that this institution or any institution does which is so morally or even practically necessary that we don’t need to talk concretely about what it costs. Cost-benefit analysis is a basic part of ethics, not a technical appendix to it.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Mike, and I join with Cindy in applauding your  interest in teaching at Community College.

Regarding published resources, Susan K. Miller  and I have done a bibliography for the TYCA "Report  of the Committee on the Two-Year College Teacher/Scholar" that will be presented at the TYCA Executive  Committee meeting in Indianapolis on November 20.  The document should be  published on the web shortly after that.

I'll put  the biblio on my blog today or tomorrow.  It's interesting that the Columbia people mostly cite their own work and don't provide fuller  references.  Although Kevin Dougherty's book does have a long  biblio in  it.  Norton Grubb's book has a huge biblio, too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Mike, and I join with Cindy in applauding your  interest in teaching at Community College.</p>
<p>Regarding published resources, Susan K. Miller  and I have done a bibliography for the TYCA &#8220;Report  of the Committee on the Two-Year College Teacher/Scholar&#8221; that will be presented at the TYCA Executive  Committee meeting in Indianapolis on November 20.  The document should be  published on the web shortly after that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll put  the biblio on my blog today or tomorrow.  It&#8217;s interesting that the Columbia people mostly cite their own work and don&#8217;t provide fuller  references.  Although Kevin Dougherty&#8217;s book does have a long  biblio in  it.  Norton Grubb&#8217;s book has a huge biblio, too.</p>
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