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	<description>faults &#124; sins &#124; abuses</description>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/05/13/on-egocasting/#comment-17601</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 02:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, OK. You'd do well, TROR, to describe more explicitly the connections you see among all these phenomena. What, in your own words, might the juxtapositions that you offer indicate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, OK. You&#8217;d do well, TROR, to describe more explicitly the connections you see among all these phenomena. What, in your own words, might the juxtapositions that you offer indicate?</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/05/13/on-egocasting/#comment-17454</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow -- thanks, likewise, for the comment, Thomas! I'm glad I was able to do the book some justice. And it looks like &lt;a href="http://www.mediatedtdez.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi" rel="nofollow"&gt;the conversations you've started&lt;/a&gt; might be really helpful to me in fleshing out some of &lt;a href="http://www.vitia.org/paris.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;my ideas&lt;/a&gt; about online identity formation and economic commodification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8212; thanks, likewise, for the comment, Thomas! I&#8217;m glad I was able to do the book some justice. And it looks like <a href="http://www.mediatedtdez.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi" rel="nofollow">the conversations you&#8217;ve started</a> might be really helpful to me in fleshing out some of <a href="http://www.vitia.org/paris.html" rel="nofollow">my ideas</a> about online identity formation and economic commodification.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas de Zengotita</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/05/13/on-egocasting/#comment-17453</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas de Zengotita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of egocasting, I was just doing a little egobrowsing and came across this Vitia comments on my book and Mike's responses-and lemme tell you, what a pleasure.  I don't do a whole lot of this, I promise, but I've done some and it's rare to find discussions that really nail how the book operates and what its actually about...
Thanks
tdez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of egocasting, I was just doing a little egobrowsing and came across this Vitia comments on my book and Mike&#8217;s responses-and lemme tell you, what a pleasure.  I don&#8217;t do a whole lot of this, I promise, but I&#8217;ve done some and it&#8217;s rare to find discussions that really nail how the book operates and what its actually about&#8230;<br />
Thanks<br />
tdez</p>
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		<title>By: michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/05/13/on-egocasting/#comment-17033</link>
		<dc:creator>michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 04:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J, [audible hah!]  Don't I wish.  Way too attached to my progeny and guarded around strangers but want to anticipate your departure as I have enjoyed your company.

Sorry, Mike. I'm carrying on a conversation here that has nothing to do with your post. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J, [audible hah!]  Don&#8217;t I wish.  Way too attached to my progeny and guarded around strangers but want to anticipate your departure as I have enjoyed your company.</p>
<p>Sorry, Mike. I&#8217;m carrying on a conversation here that has nothing to do with your post.</p>
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		<title>By: joanna</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/05/13/on-egocasting/#comment-16988</link>
		<dc:creator>joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2005 04:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual Mike, I need to think through my response carefully before I write it down here. For now, I won't say that silences are inactive--I don't think identity is binary though I can see why you assumed that I thought so--can't think of the right metaphor--identity is sort of like a panopticon , only there isn't one figure controlling the rest.  
Michelle, I'm leaving for my retreat in a week or two, depending on when I can get a room. Want to come with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual Mike, I need to think through my response carefully before I write it down here. For now, I won&#8217;t say that silences are inactive&#8211;I don&#8217;t think identity is binary though I can see why you assumed that I thought so&#8211;can&#8217;t think of the right metaphor&#8211;identity is sort of like a panopticon , only there isn&#8217;t one figure controlling the rest.<br />
Michelle, I&#8217;m leaving for my retreat in a week or two, depending on when I can get a room. Want to come with?</p>
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		<title>By: michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/05/13/on-egocasting/#comment-16985</link>
		<dc:creator>michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2005 03:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joanna, when are you going into retreat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joanna, when are you going into retreat?</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/05/13/on-egocasting/#comment-16901</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2005 21:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've got two different arguments going on here, I think: one, I'm taking from both Rosen and de Zengotita the point that highly individuated consumption of media is a relatively new mode of identity-formation. I don't know how you feel about jazz, but your feelings about jazz constitute a self-known identity of the Joanna who feels X about jazz. The second argument, which I take from de Zengotita (and also from my research on Roman culture), is where your question lies: "is it the construction of a public self only?" I certainly won't argue with your poststructuralist implication that we have multiple subjectivities and wear multiple masks, both publicly and privately; that there is no one stable essential constant self. On the other hand, the signifiers "Joanna Howard" or "Mike Edwards" point towards identities that we find convenient to think of as unitary and unified and singular.

The thing is, you're setting up the public as opposed to the private, as if there are two separate jars that make up "Joanna Howard," and you put some things in the jar marked "Private" and nobody ever sees those parts of you and you put some things in the jar marked "Public" and those are the parts of you that you're willing to share with people. I'm not sure I entirely agree with that construction. But it's kind of beside the point: what de Zengotita is saying (and what Rosen isn't saying) is that the formation of "Joanna Howard" is becoming an increasingly public process as a result of the ways in which our contemporary media work. Even if we don't advertise to others the fact that we like jazz (although we often do), we aren't just liking jazz, we're becoming People Who Like Jazz and so aligning ourselves with Other People Who Like Jazz, publically or privately -- and with contemporary media, there are enough People Who Publicly Like Jazz to make that alignment possible, and so a preference or a taste or even an isolated act of consumption becomes associative and social.

In such a circumstance, I think asking "Who's in control?" is also beside the point, because control is decentralized and delocalized (or, perhaps more appropriately, individuated, and therefore supremely splintered into infinite localizations): to borrow Foucault's language, control of the formation of identities, cultures, and classes functions on the capillary level.

But asking "what about the silences?" is important. Some suggest that there are parallels between Foucault's capillary function and the perhaps over-glorified term "networks." I might respond that there are dark spaces in networks; gaps, lacunae, isolates, blockages, oases. Silences.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how those spaces might function in relation to the network of identity formation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got two different arguments going on here, I think: one, I&#8217;m taking from both Rosen and de Zengotita the point that highly individuated consumption of media is a relatively new mode of identity-formation. I don&#8217;t know how you feel about jazz, but your feelings about jazz constitute a self-known identity of the Joanna who feels X about jazz. The second argument, which I take from de Zengotita (and also from my research on Roman culture), is where your question lies: &#8220;is it the construction of a public self only?&#8221; I certainly won&#8217;t argue with your poststructuralist implication that we have multiple subjectivities and wear multiple masks, both publicly and privately; that there is no one stable essential constant self. On the other hand, the signifiers &#8220;Joanna Howard&#8221; or &#8220;Mike Edwards&#8221; point towards identities that we find convenient to think of as unitary and unified and singular.</p>
<p>The thing is, you&#8217;re setting up the public as opposed to the private, as if there are two separate jars that make up &#8220;Joanna Howard,&#8221; and you put some things in the jar marked &#8220;Private&#8221; and nobody ever sees those parts of you and you put some things in the jar marked &#8220;Public&#8221; and those are the parts of you that you&#8217;re willing to share with people. I&#8217;m not sure I entirely agree with that construction. But it&#8217;s kind of beside the point: what de Zengotita is saying (and what Rosen isn&#8217;t saying) is that the formation of &#8220;Joanna Howard&#8221; is becoming an increasingly public process as a result of the ways in which our contemporary media work. Even if we don&#8217;t advertise to others the fact that we like jazz (although we often do), we aren&#8217;t just liking jazz, we&#8217;re becoming People Who Like Jazz and so aligning ourselves with Other People Who Like Jazz, publically or privately &#8212; and with contemporary media, there are enough People Who Publicly Like Jazz to make that alignment possible, and so a preference or a taste or even an isolated act of consumption becomes associative and social.</p>
<p>In such a circumstance, I think asking &#8220;Who&#8217;s in control?&#8221; is also beside the point, because control is decentralized and delocalized (or, perhaps more appropriately, individuated, and therefore supremely splintered into infinite localizations): to borrow Foucault&#8217;s language, control of the formation of identities, cultures, and classes functions on the capillary level.</p>
<p>But asking &#8220;what about the silences?&#8221; is important. Some suggest that there are parallels between Foucault&#8217;s capillary function and the perhaps over-glorified term &#8220;networks.&#8221; I might respond that there are dark spaces in networks; gaps, lacunae, isolates, blockages, oases. Silences.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to hear your thoughts on how those spaces might function in relation to the network of identity formation.</p>
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		<title>By: joanna</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/05/13/on-egocasting/#comment-16883</link>
		<dc:creator>joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2005 15:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an interesting idea--is it the construction of a public self only?  Who we want people to think we are? what happens to the internal self?  Does it get pushed out of the way?  Ignored?  It sounds like the individual is sacrificed to individuation, and I don't know where I would go with that except to ask who is in control of our development, our selves or our media, or, our readers?  In other words, is the me that you read on my blog the me that I was hoping to project? And what about the silences?  The things that I don't share, but which are equally important in knowing who I am?  For instance, just because I don't have blogs about jazz on my blogroll implies all kinds of things, from my hating jazz (which I don't), to not knowing anything about jazz, to loving jazz but not having the energy to create a list of musicians on the blog.  
I'm getting ready to go to a retreat house where I will spend several days and nights in complete silence, without a single electronic device in sight, so I'm primed to be thinking about everything that isn't expressed on a blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting idea&#8211;is it the construction of a public self only?  Who we want people to think we are? what happens to the internal self?  Does it get pushed out of the way?  Ignored?  It sounds like the individual is sacrificed to individuation, and I don&#8217;t know where I would go with that except to ask who is in control of our development, our selves or our media, or, our readers?  In other words, is the me that you read on my blog the me that I was hoping to project? And what about the silences?  The things that I don&#8217;t share, but which are equally important in knowing who I am?  For instance, just because I don&#8217;t have blogs about jazz on my blogroll implies all kinds of things, from my hating jazz (which I don&#8217;t), to not knowing anything about jazz, to loving jazz but not having the energy to create a list of musicians on the blog.<br />
I&#8217;m getting ready to go to a retreat house where I will spend several days and nights in complete silence, without a single electronic device in sight, so I&#8217;m primed to be thinking about everything that isn&#8217;t expressed on a blog.</p>
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