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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/05/30/revised-chapter-outline/#comment-17251</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 04:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenn, &lt;a href="http://www.vitia.org/sharingwriting/0introduction.html"&gt;the skeleton of my CCCC presentation&lt;/a&gt; offers a more in-depth treatment of understanding student writing as an economic act, and I'd certainly welcome any comments or questions you might offer, since I'm working on turning it into part of Chapter 5. Your questions about refusal of domination and its connection to commodification are related; I'll point out that in capitalism's diverse economy, not all economic activity is commodified -- in addition to market transactions, there are feudal transactions, slave transactions, gift transactions, &lt;em&gt;et cetera&lt;/em&gt; -- and, especially in the gift's refusal of commodification, since there is no exchange value placed atop the gift's use value, there is simply no room for exploitation. Inasmuch as I believe that class is the point of articulation between the economic and the material lived culture of the individual, I think that rhet/comp scholars really need to be talking about economics when they're talking about class. For me, the most valuable course I took in connection to my dissertation was a graduate economics seminar about re-thinking the economy from various (mostly Marxian) perspectives; to prepare myself for the seminar, I read Mankiw's &lt;em&gt;Principles of Economics&lt;/em&gt; (basically a thick 2-semester Econ 101 textbook; kinda technical and very one-sided for the neoclassical perspective, but very helpful in retrospect to get an introduction to how mainstream economists think), Heilbroner's extremely useful and accessible &lt;em&gt;The Worldly Philosophers&lt;/em&gt;, and Yanis Varoufakis's &lt;em&gt;Foundations of Economics&lt;/em&gt;, which I can't recommend highly enough: it's absolutely excellent. I checked out your SUNY Albany page, and your project sounds really smart and engaging -- I'd love to hear more about the perspective you're coming from. I'm also a former MFA (fiction), and SUNY Albany was one of the places where I was thinking of applying, but then I went to AWP when it was there and talked to some of the grad students in the department and they were all like, "Yeah, the program just kinda self-destructed and we're picking up the pieces now; check back in a few years," so I wound up at UMass. What's it like there now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenn, <a href="http://www.vitia.org/sharingwriting/0introduction.html">the skeleton of my CCCC presentation</a> offers a more in-depth treatment of understanding student writing as an economic act, and I&#8217;d certainly welcome any comments or questions you might offer, since I&#8217;m working on turning it into part of Chapter 5. Your questions about refusal of domination and its connection to commodification are related; I&#8217;ll point out that in capitalism&#8217;s diverse economy, not all economic activity is commodified &#8212; in addition to market transactions, there are feudal transactions, slave transactions, gift transactions, <em>et cetera</em> &#8212; and, especially in the gift&#8217;s refusal of commodification, since there is no exchange value placed atop the gift&#8217;s use value, there is simply no room for exploitation. Inasmuch as I believe that class is the point of articulation between the economic and the material lived culture of the individual, I think that rhet/comp scholars really need to be talking about economics when they&#8217;re talking about class. For me, the most valuable course I took in connection to my dissertation was a graduate economics seminar about re-thinking the economy from various (mostly Marxian) perspectives; to prepare myself for the seminar, I read Mankiw&#8217;s <em>Principles of Economics</em> (basically a thick 2-semester Econ 101 textbook; kinda technical and very one-sided for the neoclassical perspective, but very helpful in retrospect to get an introduction to how mainstream economists think), Heilbroner&#8217;s extremely useful and accessible <em>The Worldly Philosophers</em>, and Yanis Varoufakis&#8217;s <em>Foundations of Economics</em>, which I can&#8217;t recommend highly enough: it&#8217;s absolutely excellent. I checked out your SUNY Albany page, and your project sounds really smart and engaging &#8212; I&#8217;d love to hear more about the perspective you&#8217;re coming from. I&#8217;m also a former MFA (fiction), and SUNY Albany was one of the places where I was thinking of applying, but then I went to AWP when it was there and talked to some of the grad students in the department and they were all like, &#8220;Yeah, the program just kinda self-destructed and we&#8217;re picking up the pieces now; check back in a few years,&#8221; so I wound up at UMass. What&#8217;s it like there now?</p>
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		<title>By: jenn</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/05/30/revised-chapter-outline/#comment-17207</link>
		<dc:creator>jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm curious about how you're outlining student writing as an economic act performed for individuated and diverse purposes.  Can you say "a bit" more about this?  And considering your sketch of the historical shift from mass economy into an individuated and diverse economy (for which you deem there are consequences) can your proposal/argument for student writing--as this--still make the claim that refusal of exploitation and domination is possible?  (I know this is just an *outline*, and I haven't been reading your blog for its two full years, so I'm sure this is much that I'm missing...).

Also, I'm assuming you're making some sort of argument about a current commodified state/treatment of student writing...and then arguing against it???

And while your comment about the lack of economists cited/named in the work of rhet/comp scholars might/should/does seem like a "no-brainer," it is a very illuminating and important point.  I have thought it so odd that while my committee members are constantly telling me to (re)theorize class, I have never been given the names of any economists to read nor encouraged to read any economic texts.  So I am always grateful for the numerous references I can garner from your writings here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious about how you&#8217;re outlining student writing as an economic act performed for individuated and diverse purposes.  Can you say &#8220;a bit&#8221; more about this?  And considering your sketch of the historical shift from mass economy into an individuated and diverse economy (for which you deem there are consequences) can your proposal/argument for student writing&#8211;as this&#8211;still make the claim that refusal of exploitation and domination is possible?  (I know this is just an *outline*, and I haven&#8217;t been reading your blog for its two full years, so I&#8217;m sure this is much that I&#8217;m missing&#8230;).</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m assuming you&#8217;re making some sort of argument about a current commodified state/treatment of student writing&#8230;and then arguing against it???</p>
<p>And while your comment about the lack of economists cited/named in the work of rhet/comp scholars might/should/does seem like a &#8220;no-brainer,&#8221; it is a very illuminating and important point.  I have thought it so odd that while my committee members are constantly telling me to (re)theorize class, I have never been given the names of any economists to read nor encouraged to read any economic texts.  So I am always grateful for the numerous references I can garner from your writings here.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/05/30/revised-chapter-outline/#comment-17169</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2005 00:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tink's still gimpy, I'm afraid. It comes and goes, but I have yet to see a single day when she doesn't hobble and complain a little bit.

Now, as for the "few sentences": that's a bit of a taller order.

&lt;strong&gt;The problem&lt;/strong&gt;, as I see it; what I'm addressing in Chapters 1 and 2: composition, as a discipline, talks about economics in a few very specific ways; ways that can problematically divert our attention from grave concerns about the economic inequalities caused by scarcity. First, there's the discourse on the economics of the academic profession, i.e. instructors-as-laborers, as seen in the work of Joe Harris, Donna Strickland, and others. Related to this discourse is the discourse on the economic backgrounds of academic professionals, i.e. the so-called "working-class" academic trope (which often becomes a self-pitying navel-gazing for which I have little patience), as seen in the anthologies &lt;em&gt;Coming to Class&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;This Fine Place So Far from Home&lt;/em&gt;. In fact, with a very few exceptions (which I'll get to in a bit), the only ways people pay attention to students as economic beings is to pay attention to the &lt;strong&gt;class&lt;/strong&gt; of students -- and students' class is always understood as being either prior to college (i.e., what their parents do for a living) or subsequent to college (i.e., how college vocationally prepares them for careers, as in Mark Longaker's May 2005 &lt;em&gt;College English&lt;/em&gt; essay). Furthermore, following the lead of Henry Giroux, many scholars who do look at class through the lens of critical pedagogy are, in effect, doing class without economics and Freire without Marx. There are a few welcome exceptions; folks who are doing some smart stuff understanding students as economic beings and their work in the writing classroom as having economic value: Bruce Horner, John Trimbur, and Min-Zhan Lu. And that's it. The worst of it is, even with the burgeoning buzz about "economics" in composition (the Longaker essay; Lu's September 2004 &lt;em&gt;CCC&lt;/em&gt; essay), and the class warriors who &lt;em&gt;say&lt;/em&gt; they're tackling economic concerns, I have yet to see A. Single. Article. from an economics journal in anyone's Works Cited. Not &lt;strong&gt;one&lt;/strong&gt;.

So there's the problem. The solution; what I see as my contribution? Chapters 3 and 4, as described above, directly connect perspectives on class to the work of certain poststructuralist Marxist economists and then Chapter 5 places those economic perspectives on class within the context of students' work in the wired writing classroom, because as I've repeated &lt;em&gt;ad nauseam&lt;/em&gt;, the things that make people so excited about digital technologies operate via precisely the same means by which those technologies make economic inequality -- the injuries of class -- visible: they replace labor-intensive processes with capital-intensive processes. However, I point out in Chapter 6 that conventional understandings of economic scarcity are upended by the open source movement (which is itself very much associated with digital technologies), which understands the value of digitally reproducible texts as being dependent upon the free and open exchange of ideas. Information is not a scarce good: one studentâ€™s understanding of a text does not diminish another studentâ€™s understanding of that same text. The open source movement indicates ways in which technologies (computers, literacy) can help writing teachers rethink the privileging of scarcity that rests as the foundation of rationalizations of economic inequality, by making visible the cracks within that foundation. Ultimately, the values associated with the open source movement -- not the techniques, but the way computers allow and demand new cultural practices -- profoundly alter our understanding of the production of writing and education. Mainstream economics posits scarcity: there isn't enough to go around. The open source movement contends that, in fact, there is.

I know that's more than a few sentences. Does it make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tink&#8217;s still gimpy, I&#8217;m afraid. It comes and goes, but I have yet to see a single day when she doesn&#8217;t hobble and complain a little bit.</p>
<p>Now, as for the &#8220;few sentences&#8221;: that&#8217;s a bit of a taller order.</p>
<p><strong>The problem</strong>, as I see it; what I&#8217;m addressing in Chapters 1 and 2: composition, as a discipline, talks about economics in a few very specific ways; ways that can problematically divert our attention from grave concerns about the economic inequalities caused by scarcity. First, there&#8217;s the discourse on the economics of the academic profession, i.e. instructors-as-laborers, as seen in the work of Joe Harris, Donna Strickland, and others. Related to this discourse is the discourse on the economic backgrounds of academic professionals, i.e. the so-called &#8220;working-class&#8221; academic trope (which often becomes a self-pitying navel-gazing for which I have little patience), as seen in the anthologies <em>Coming to Class</em> and <em>This Fine Place So Far from Home</em>. In fact, with a very few exceptions (which I&#8217;ll get to in a bit), the only ways people pay attention to students as economic beings is to pay attention to the <strong>class</strong> of students &#8212; and students&#8217; class is always understood as being either prior to college (i.e., what their parents do for a living) or subsequent to college (i.e., how college vocationally prepares them for careers, as in Mark Longaker&#8217;s May 2005 <em>College English</em> essay). Furthermore, following the lead of Henry Giroux, many scholars who do look at class through the lens of critical pedagogy are, in effect, doing class without economics and Freire without Marx. There are a few welcome exceptions; folks who are doing some smart stuff understanding students as economic beings and their work in the writing classroom as having economic value: Bruce Horner, John Trimbur, and Min-Zhan Lu. And that&#8217;s it. The worst of it is, even with the burgeoning buzz about &#8220;economics&#8221; in composition (the Longaker essay; Lu&#8217;s September 2004 <em>CCC</em> essay), and the class warriors who <em>say</em> they&#8217;re tackling economic concerns, I have yet to see A. Single. Article. from an economics journal in anyone&#8217;s Works Cited. Not <strong>one</strong>.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s the problem. The solution; what I see as my contribution? Chapters 3 and 4, as described above, directly connect perspectives on class to the work of certain poststructuralist Marxist economists and then Chapter 5 places those economic perspectives on class within the context of students&#8217; work in the wired writing classroom, because as I&#8217;ve repeated <em>ad nauseam</em>, the things that make people so excited about digital technologies operate via precisely the same means by which those technologies make economic inequality &#8212; the injuries of class &#8212; visible: they replace labor-intensive processes with capital-intensive processes. However, I point out in Chapter 6 that conventional understandings of economic scarcity are upended by the open source movement (which is itself very much associated with digital technologies), which understands the value of digitally reproducible texts as being dependent upon the free and open exchange of ideas. Information is not a scarce good: one studentâ€™s understanding of a text does not diminish another studentâ€™s understanding of that same text. The open source movement indicates ways in which technologies (computers, literacy) can help writing teachers rethink the privileging of scarcity that rests as the foundation of rationalizations of economic inequality, by making visible the cracks within that foundation. Ultimately, the values associated with the open source movement &#8212; not the techniques, but the way computers allow and demand new cultural practices &#8212; profoundly alter our understanding of the production of writing and education. Mainstream economics posits scarcity: there isn&#8217;t enough to go around. The open source movement contends that, in fact, there is.</p>
<p>I know that&#8217;s more than a few sentences. Does it make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: joanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's funny--I was going to ask you if you would write something like this for your readers who lack your depth and breadth of reading.  I'm sure that the process and product has helped you, and it has certainly helped this reader.  
Would you, could you write few sentences on how your diss. adds something new to the field?  I'm not asking you to prove yourself, just wanting to get some context about where it all fits.

How's Tink, BTW?  I'm going to an orthopedist about both of my knees--don't think it's a luxating patella problem though. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny&#8211;I was going to ask you if you would write something like this for your readers who lack your depth and breadth of reading.  I&#8217;m sure that the process and product has helped you, and it has certainly helped this reader.<br />
Would you, could you write few sentences on how your diss. adds something new to the field?  I&#8217;m not asking you to prove yourself, just wanting to get some context about where it all fits.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s Tink, BTW?  I&#8217;m going to an orthopedist about both of my knees&#8211;don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a luxating patella problem though.</p>
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