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		<title>By: random serner &#187; vitia :: bourdieus konzept des symbolischen kapitals</title>
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		<dc:creator>random serner &#187; vitia :: bourdieus konzept des symbolischen kapitals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wir werden noch weiter recherchieren. aber vitia scheint wohl eine dissertation zu bourdieus konzept des &#8220;symbolischen kapitals&#8221; zu machen und dabei auch eine verbindung zu raymond williams &#8220;culture and society&#8221; (rebel in tweed suit - guardian) zu schlagen - very interesting, indeed!. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wir werden noch weiter recherchieren. aber vitia scheint wohl eine dissertation zu bourdieus konzept des &#8220;symbolischen kapitals&#8221; zu machen und dabei auch eine verbindung zu raymond williams &#8220;culture and society&#8221; (rebel in tweed suit - guardian) zu schlagen - very interesting, indeed!. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/07/28/mapping-class-culture/#comment-17541</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, I think that ironic co-optation happens partly on the third, temporal Z axis, since all of the examples you offer of kitsch and camp had to be already widely recognized elements of "mass" "low" culture in order to allow their queering: in other words, this was a transition that took place over time, over the trajectory of symbolic capital from past to future.

But your question points, for me, to a necessary weakness of Bourdieu's scheme as applied to our contemporary culture: Bourdieu, as I've noted before, was working in the ideological context of an economy of mass production and consumption and its concomitant culture. Despite the wonderful relational complexity of his model, your question about ironic versus non-ironic consumption shows that he's still largely in a framework structured by homogeneity: consumption is a unitary act, happening only in one way in a society whose tastes are structured by the dominant class. For Bourdieu, consumption is mass consumption, not the new individuated consumption described by Shoshana Zuboff and James Maxmin in &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.thesupporteconomy.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Support Economy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; (and hinted at by Thomas De Zengotita, Hal Shapiro &#38; David Varian, and others).

If one wants to do a synchronic mapping of cultural valuation, one could certainly replace the temporal Z axis with a Z axis that's some sort of continuum of societal positions of identity -- but what would the endpoints be? Ironic to non-ironic, it seems to me, replicates some of the valuation of the Y axis, in that the ability to ironically consume something (for some people) possesses more overall capital than the ability to consume something non-ironically: liking David Hasselhoff for his camp qualities is more culturally sophisticated -- more a mark of distinction -- than liking David Hasselhoff because he plays the part of Michael Knight so well.

And the question of overlapping axes of value takes me to Steve's question, as well: I'm familiar with the Political Compass, and have used it (and its &lt;a href="http://timlambert.org/2003/11/polsurvey/" rel="nofollow"&gt;less problematic&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://politics.beasts.org/scripts/survey" rel="nofollow"&gt;successor&lt;/a&gt;) in my class when we're starting the argument unit to talk about positionality, perspective, and audience. Yes, the graphing of those surveys performs something similar to what Bourdieu's doing, by taking a single variable ("right/left" politics; cultual value) and showing how it's complicated by more than one factor, in effect taking a hierarchy and turning it into a more complex relational space. But Bourdieu's graphing feels more difficult because the variables -- the axes of value -- are so closely interrelated, and Bill's point makes it clear that there are even more variables (who consumes and how they consume; both, themselves, culturally value-laden variables) than those Bourdieu works with.

So, yeah, maybe I just need to head over to the Mathematics department and ask if they've got some &lt;em&gt;N&lt;/em&gt;-dimensional mapping software I can borrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, I think that ironic co-optation happens partly on the third, temporal Z axis, since all of the examples you offer of kitsch and camp had to be already widely recognized elements of &#8220;mass&#8221; &#8220;low&#8221; culture in order to allow their queering: in other words, this was a transition that took place over time, over the trajectory of symbolic capital from past to future.</p>
<p>But your question points, for me, to a necessary weakness of Bourdieu&#8217;s scheme as applied to our contemporary culture: Bourdieu, as I&#8217;ve noted before, was working in the ideological context of an economy of mass production and consumption and its concomitant culture. Despite the wonderful relational complexity of his model, your question about ironic versus non-ironic consumption shows that he&#8217;s still largely in a framework structured by homogeneity: consumption is a unitary act, happening only in one way in a society whose tastes are structured by the dominant class. For Bourdieu, consumption is mass consumption, not the new individuated consumption described by Shoshana Zuboff and James Maxmin in <em><a href="http://www.thesupporteconomy.com/" rel="nofollow">The Support Economy</a></em> (and hinted at by Thomas De Zengotita, Hal Shapiro &amp; David Varian, and others).</p>
<p>If one wants to do a synchronic mapping of cultural valuation, one could certainly replace the temporal Z axis with a Z axis that&#8217;s some sort of continuum of societal positions of identity &#8212; but what would the endpoints be? Ironic to non-ironic, it seems to me, replicates some of the valuation of the Y axis, in that the ability to ironically consume something (for some people) possesses more overall capital than the ability to consume something non-ironically: liking David Hasselhoff for his camp qualities is more culturally sophisticated &#8212; more a mark of distinction &#8212; than liking David Hasselhoff because he plays the part of Michael Knight so well.</p>
<p>And the question of overlapping axes of value takes me to Steve&#8217;s question, as well: I&#8217;m familiar with the Political Compass, and have used it (and its <a href="http://timlambert.org/2003/11/polsurvey/" rel="nofollow">less problematic</a> <a href="http://politics.beasts.org/scripts/survey" rel="nofollow">successor</a>) in my class when we&#8217;re starting the argument unit to talk about positionality, perspective, and audience. Yes, the graphing of those surveys performs something similar to what Bourdieu&#8217;s doing, by taking a single variable (&#8221;right/left&#8221; politics; cultual value) and showing how it&#8217;s complicated by more than one factor, in effect taking a hierarchy and turning it into a more complex relational space. But Bourdieu&#8217;s graphing feels more difficult because the variables &#8212; the axes of value &#8212; are so closely interrelated, and Bill&#8217;s point makes it clear that there are even more variables (who consumes and how they consume; both, themselves, culturally value-laden variables) than those Bourdieu works with.</p>
<p>So, yeah, maybe I just need to head over to the Mathematics department and ask if they&#8217;ve got some <em>N</em>-dimensional mapping software I can borrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/07/28/mapping-class-culture/#comment-17540</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it be possible for a further axis to account for ironic participation in "low" culture?  I'm thinking of hipsters co-opting mass culture, kitsch, and various artifacts of cheesyness.  Same goes for camp and queer culture.  We can talk about, say, The Golden Girls, or Knight Rider, or Britney Spears, as having little cultural capital, but what about the moment when cultural capitalists consume such texts ironically?  I'd be interested in not only seeing an axis for   but also a way to visually signify the moment of co-opting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be possible for a further axis to account for ironic participation in &#8220;low&#8221; culture?  I&#8217;m thinking of hipsters co-opting mass culture, kitsch, and various artifacts of cheesyness.  Same goes for camp and queer culture.  We can talk about, say, The Golden Girls, or Knight Rider, or Britney Spears, as having little cultural capital, but what about the moment when cultural capitalists consume such texts ironically?  I&#8217;d be interested in not only seeing an axis for   but also a way to visually signify the moment of co-opting.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven D. Krause</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/07/28/mapping-class-culture/#comment-17537</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven D. Krause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of what you're talking about here (I think-- I read this kind of quickly, and you are much more familiar with your dissertation than I am) reminded me of the site &lt;a href="http://politicalcompass.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Political Compass.&lt;/a&gt;  Have you seen that one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of what you&#8217;re talking about here (I think&#8211; I read this kind of quickly, and you are much more familiar with your dissertation than I am) reminded me of the site <a href="http://politicalcompass.org/" rel="nofollow">The Political Compass.</a>  Have you seen that one?</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/07/28/mapping-class-culture/#comment-17533</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Snob factor" might be one way of describing Bourdieu's "symbolic capital," I think. The "aggregate appeal" thing is, actually, what confused me, and why I now realize that many of my mappings above are incorrect: since he's writing about &lt;em&gt;distinction&lt;/em&gt;, then that which is distinct -- i.e., not mass appeal -- would seem to have more value, and, indeed, soccer and rugby are at the bottom of his map, and golf, tennis, and water-skiiing near the top. So I need to go back and redo figure 4. In that sense, there's a connection between symbolic capital and class identity, but a loose one -- and little connection between how much money goes into something (again, note that soccer is near the bottom of Bourdieu's map) and volume of capital; rather, the money thing plays into economic versus cultural. So for American sports, I think you're going to see a line staying fairly close to the Y axis, but going mostly down and to the right (i.e., with a negative &lt;em&gt;m&lt;/em&gt;, if you remember your high school algebra where &lt;em&gt;y&lt;/em&gt;=&lt;em&gt;mx&lt;/em&gt;+&lt;em&gt;b&lt;/em&gt;, with &lt;em&gt;m&lt;/em&gt;=slope=rise/run: now, who can give me a quadratic equation that describes the shape of the working class?). So maybe:

polo (-3,9)
tennis (-2,7)
cycling (-2,5)
golf (-1,3)
baseball (2,-2)
basketball (3,-5)
football (4,-8)

Given that, where might you put NASCAR, Chris? (Wherever you put it, I'll argue that Formula 1 goes something like 1 unit above but 2 or 3 units to the left.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Snob factor&#8221; might be one way of describing Bourdieu&#8217;s &#8220;symbolic capital,&#8221; I think. The &#8220;aggregate appeal&#8221; thing is, actually, what confused me, and why I now realize that many of my mappings above are incorrect: since he&#8217;s writing about <em>distinction</em>, then that which is distinct &#8212; i.e., not mass appeal &#8212; would seem to have more value, and, indeed, soccer and rugby are at the bottom of his map, and golf, tennis, and water-skiiing near the top. So I need to go back and redo figure 4. In that sense, there&#8217;s a connection between symbolic capital and class identity, but a loose one &#8212; and little connection between how much money goes into something (again, note that soccer is near the bottom of Bourdieu&#8217;s map) and volume of capital; rather, the money thing plays into economic versus cultural. So for American sports, I think you&#8217;re going to see a line staying fairly close to the Y axis, but going mostly down and to the right (i.e., with a negative <em>m</em>, if you remember your high school algebra where <em>y</em>=<em>mx</em>+<em>b</em>, with <em>m</em>=slope=rise/run: now, who can give me a quadratic equation that describes the shape of the working class?). So maybe:</p>
<p>polo (-3,9)<br />
tennis (-2,7)<br />
cycling (-2,5)<br />
golf (-1,3)<br />
baseball (2,-2)<br />
basketball (3,-5)<br />
football (4,-8)</p>
<p>Given that, where might you put NASCAR, Chris? (Wherever you put it, I&#8217;ll argue that Formula 1 goes something like 1 unit above but 2 or 3 units to the left.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/07/28/mapping-class-culture/#comment-17532</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 04:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not contributing much, here, I'm afraid, but: What about, say, NASCAR? Do we look at  capital volume as a measure of aggregate appeal/influence in a culture, or as a measure of, well, snob factor? Do we look at economic capital in terms of the mind-boggling sums tossed into advertising and ticket sales and stock car swag, or at the class identity of many/most NASCAR fans?

Maybe I'm just resisting Bourdieu's schema a little too much. [Creeps back into the bushes.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not contributing much, here, I&#8217;m afraid, but: What about, say, NASCAR? Do we look at  capital volume as a measure of aggregate appeal/influence in a culture, or as a measure of, well, snob factor? Do we look at economic capital in terms of the mind-boggling sums tossed into advertising and ticket sales and stock car swag, or at the class identity of many/most NASCAR fans?</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just resisting Bourdieu&#8217;s schema a little too much. [Creeps back into the bushes.]</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/07/28/mapping-class-culture/#comment-17525</link>
		<dc:creator>Natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is lettuce:

iceburg (6, -8)
baby spinach (4, -7)
hearts of romaine (3, -5) not many people like them but the rich do

Somebody should do cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is lettuce:</p>
<p>iceburg (6, -8)<br />
baby spinach (4, -7)<br />
hearts of romaine (3, -5) not many people like them but the rich do</p>
<p>Somebody should do cars.</p>
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