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	<title>Comments on: Not Working Class</title>
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	<description>faults &#124; sins &#124; abuses</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/10/14/not-working-class/#comment-18639</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, I've blogged more on this...
http://bdegenaro.blogspot.com/2005/10/identification-and-non-identification.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, I&#8217;ve blogged more on this&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://bdegenaro.blogspot.com/2005/10/identification-and-non-identification.html" rel="nofollow">http://bdegenaro.blogspot.com/2005/10/identification-and-non-identification.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2005/10/14/not-working-class/#comment-18562</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's so much smart stuff here that I want to engage with, and I swear that this week I'll blog more about the poetics/rhetoric issue, but in the meantime a few responses:

Yes, per Williams w/c is defined by activity.  But (partially by extension) w/c is also defined by *deficit*.  Activity (manual labor especially, going back to Greece) corrupts.  W/C activity takes place because of what the practitioner, the w/c individual, has not attained.  Deficit.  Definition by what you don't have, haven't attained, can't access.

And I think the rhetoric of the working-class academic is a concerted effort to transcend that deficit model.  The trouble is--as I think you're hinting at--that particular rhetoric ends up not engaging with/glossing over w/c activity.  

What I was getting at is the extent to which these contradictions are ever with us.  The terms are divisive.  The definitions are perpetually contested.  Does that level of contestation allow for a "rhetoric" (a working-class rhetoric) that is even remotely stable?  I'm trying to think about poetics as an ideology, as a practice, hell maybe even as a set of genres that can contend with the contradictions in a way that a "rhetoric" can not.  More later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s so much smart stuff here that I want to engage with, and I swear that this week I&#8217;ll blog more about the poetics/rhetoric issue, but in the meantime a few responses:</p>
<p>Yes, per Williams w/c is defined by activity.  But (partially by extension) w/c is also defined by *deficit*.  Activity (manual labor especially, going back to Greece) corrupts.  W/C activity takes place because of what the practitioner, the w/c individual, has not attained.  Deficit.  Definition by what you don&#8217;t have, haven&#8217;t attained, can&#8217;t access.</p>
<p>And I think the rhetoric of the working-class academic is a concerted effort to transcend that deficit model.  The trouble is&#8211;as I think you&#8217;re hinting at&#8211;that particular rhetoric ends up not engaging with/glossing over w/c activity.  </p>
<p>What I was getting at is the extent to which these contradictions are ever with us.  The terms are divisive.  The definitions are perpetually contested.  Does that level of contestation allow for a &#8220;rhetoric&#8221; (a working-class rhetoric) that is even remotely stable?  I&#8217;m trying to think about poetics as an ideology, as a practice, hell maybe even as a set of genres that can contend with the contradictions in a way that a &#8220;rhetoric&#8221; can not.  More later.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothea Salo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothea Salo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. This gets at some things I've been thinking about lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. This gets at some things I&#8217;ve been thinking about lately.</p>
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