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		<title>By: gb</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2006/04/03/cccc06-bullshit/#comment-60260</link>
		<dc:creator>gb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... so much time and no answer.  Still contorting to the great lie of "audience-based prose?" And "those Truths," boyo, not such an easy thing to answer, eh?  Aye, but they ("those Truths") are.  

When will we cut through the Gordian Knot of spin-based bullshit and admit that US culture is based on a lie of unending growth?  When will we teach our charges the wisdom to confront "those Truths?"  

And yes, Language and Rhetoric... in the Classical and Traditional sense... are indeed capable of slicing the knot.  "Audience-based prose" is a Lamarckian lie.  

Didn't Aristotle show us the failure of "packaging" with his delicious "cup-o-soup?"  He believed it.  He practiced it.  He died for it.  But when the gap between "Truth" and "packaging" becomes so great, the Philosopher must die or join the torchlght parade.  

Do we choose to be an Aristotle or a Wittgenstein?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; so much time and no answer.  Still contorting to the great lie of &#8220;audience-based prose?&#8221; And &#8220;those Truths,&#8221; boyo, not such an easy thing to answer, eh?  Aye, but they (&#8221;those Truths&#8221;) are.  </p>
<p>When will we cut through the Gordian Knot of spin-based bullshit and admit that US culture is based on a lie of unending growth?  When will we teach our charges the wisdom to confront &#8220;those Truths?&#8221;  </p>
<p>And yes, Language and Rhetoric&#8230; in the Classical and Traditional sense&#8230; are indeed capable of slicing the knot.  &#8220;Audience-based prose&#8221; is a Lamarckian lie.  </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Aristotle show us the failure of &#8220;packaging&#8221; with his delicious &#8220;cup-o-soup?&#8221;  He believed it.  He practiced it.  He died for it.  But when the gap between &#8220;Truth&#8221; and &#8220;packaging&#8221; becomes so great, the Philosopher must die or join the torchlght parade.  </p>
<p>Do we choose to be an Aristotle or a Wittgenstein?</p>
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		<title>By: gb</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2006/04/03/cccc06-bullshit/#comment-51153</link>
		<dc:creator>gb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 00:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey!  I got a bite!  
â€œOverwhelming majority?â€  â€œEverybody?â€  Nope.  But, â€œâ€¦contemporary rhetoric has a misguided preoccupation with audience that leads to an inability or refusal to perceive and communicate Truths.â€  Exactly correct! 
 
Why is â€œaudience preoccupationâ€ misguided?  The writers know itâ€™s bullshit.  There IS no â€œaudienceâ€ except whoever is grading their paperâ€¦ and whatever the graderâ€™s perception of this hypothetical â€œaudienceâ€™sâ€ hypothetical perception is.
  
Writers should first engage the Truth.  Melvilleâ€™s Typee is an excellent example, as he was chided for not repeating Typeeâ€™s â€œaudience-belovedâ€ formula with Moby-Dick.  Hurston is another example, flamed for writing in â€œdialect.â€  

While â€œmoving from writer-based to reader-based proseâ€ is grounded in good intentions, it is a pale shadow of the â€œcustomer-focusedâ€ philosophy of the corporate world, which is a poor mimicry of Demingâ€™s dance. 
 
In the corporate world, â€œqualityâ€ of the product has morphed into â€œcreating shareholder value,â€ another bucket of bullshit that actually means â€œget the stock numbers to go upâ€ with whatever fictional accounting is necessary. 
 
Itâ€™s a good sign that â€œbullshitâ€ has entered into the lexicon of the multiple Cs.  â€œFor in this world of lies,â€ said Melville, â€œTruth is forced to fly like a scared white doe in the woodlands; and only by cunning glimpses will she reveal herself, as in Shakespeare and other masters of the great Art of Telling the Truth,--even though it be covertly, and by snatches.â€ 
 
The liar makes false claims.  The bullshitter cares nothing about truth or falsity, only for impressing the audience; and, as Frankfurt has said, â€œBy virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.â€  Writing is part of the great â€œArt of Telling the Truth,â€ joined Janus-like with the art of Reading.
  
We could dissect Douglasâ€™ â€œrhetorical technique,â€ masticate his metaphor, and miss the point: â€œThose who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning.â€ 
  
This is just a humble attempt at end-of-the-sem agitation for Truth Telling among the â€œpaperwork pedagogy.â€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!  I got a bite!<br />
â€œOverwhelming majority?â€  â€œEverybody?â€  Nope.  But, â€œâ€¦contemporary rhetoric has a misguided preoccupation with audience that leads to an inability or refusal to perceive and communicate Truths.â€  Exactly correct! </p>
<p>Why is â€œaudience preoccupationâ€ misguided?  The writers know itâ€™s bullshit.  There IS no â€œaudienceâ€ except whoever is grading their paperâ€¦ and whatever the graderâ€™s perception of this hypothetical â€œaudienceâ€™sâ€ hypothetical perception is.</p>
<p>Writers should first engage the Truth.  Melvilleâ€™s Typee is an excellent example, as he was chided for not repeating Typeeâ€™s â€œaudience-belovedâ€ formula with Moby-Dick.  Hurston is another example, flamed for writing in â€œdialect.â€  </p>
<p>While â€œmoving from writer-based to reader-based proseâ€ is grounded in good intentions, it is a pale shadow of the â€œcustomer-focusedâ€ philosophy of the corporate world, which is a poor mimicry of Demingâ€™s dance. </p>
<p>In the corporate world, â€œqualityâ€ of the product has morphed into â€œcreating shareholder value,â€ another bucket of bullshit that actually means â€œget the stock numbers to go upâ€ with whatever fictional accounting is necessary. </p>
<p>Itâ€™s a good sign that â€œbullshitâ€ has entered into the lexicon of the multiple Cs.  â€œFor in this world of lies,â€ said Melville, â€œTruth is forced to fly like a scared white doe in the woodlands; and only by cunning glimpses will she reveal herself, as in Shakespeare and other masters of the great Art of Telling the Truth,&#8211;even though it be covertly, and by snatches.â€ </p>
<p>The liar makes false claims.  The bullshitter cares nothing about truth or falsity, only for impressing the audience; and, as Frankfurt has said, â€œBy virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.â€  Writing is part of the great â€œArt of Telling the Truth,â€ joined Janus-like with the art of Reading.</p>
<p>We could dissect Douglasâ€™ â€œrhetorical technique,â€ masticate his metaphor, and miss the point: â€œThose who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning.â€ </p>
<p>This is just a humble attempt at end-of-the-sem agitation for Truth Telling among the â€œpaperwork pedagogy.â€</p>
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		<title>By: bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2006/04/03/cccc06-bullshit/#comment-50984</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh-oh, I'm going to have stop enjoying Melville's Typee, which happens to be my literature read right now. And now I don't get to enjoy teaching that early American Lit either, dang! Guess I'm not a true compositionist. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh-oh, I&#8217;m going to have stop enjoying Melville&#8217;s Typee, which happens to be my literature read right now. And now I don&#8217;t get to enjoy teaching that early American Lit either, dang! Guess I&#8217;m not a true compositionist. <img src='http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me see if I can sum up:

The overwhelming majority of monographs in composition are worthless, everybody who teaches composition hates literature, compositionists teach the journalistic inverted triangle format, and contemporary rhetoric has a misguided preoccupation with audience that leads to an inability or refusal to perceive and communicate Truths.

Have I got it right?

If so, I must say you've clearly and admirably embodied your own credo in your adamant opposition to engaging an audience. Good luck with those Truths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me see if I can sum up:</p>
<p>The overwhelming majority of monographs in composition are worthless, everybody who teaches composition hates literature, compositionists teach the journalistic inverted triangle format, and contemporary rhetoric has a misguided preoccupation with audience that leads to an inability or refusal to perceive and communicate Truths.</p>
<p>Have I got it right?</p>
<p>If so, I must say you&#8217;ve clearly and admirably embodied your own credo in your adamant opposition to engaging an audience. Good luck with those Truths.</p>
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		<title>By: gb waldschmidt</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2006/04/03/cccc06-bullshit/#comment-50896</link>
		<dc:creator>gb waldschmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hereâ€™s the deal straight up:  the way we are taught to teach â€œwritingâ€ is an empty box slathered with bullshit.  Want proof?  Read almost any book on â€œComposition and Rhetoric.â€  You will be drilled with the dullest dictum on the most monolithically mundane minutiae in the universe.  Itâ€™s bad enough that these yaks are â€œteaching writing.â€  Whatâ€™s worse is that they think they can do it.  

And dig this:  they hate Literature.  Itâ€™s no big secret that thereâ€™s a great divide in the â€œEnglishâ€ department between those who teach â€œcompositionâ€ and those who teach Literature.  We Comp grunts are the poor handmaidens, doing (what Robert Scholes calls) the â€œshitworkâ€ of the English department.  Hardly any Comp â€œexpertsâ€ will admit in their tedious tomes that they hate Literature.  Only in the hallway.  

No, they like the stand-up â€œjournalismâ€ style of writingâ€¦ the inverted triangleâ€¦ piss on a page.  Lead your brainless reader by the nose; give them â€œobjective facts.â€  Writers in the â€œscientificâ€ disciplines blow these hacks in the weeds.  Hacks still donâ€™t get it.  â€œContentâ€ means nothing.  Packaging is everything.  In a sense they are right.  If you look at the horseshit that passes for â€œpublic discourse,â€ you might almost believe them.  

Please donâ€™t.  In our obsession with â€œaudience,â€ we are teaching â€œspin.â€  â€œSpinâ€ is not writing.  Itâ€™s bullshit.  So if you cover bullshit with chocolate, you can get your â€œaudienceâ€ to eat it?  Only if your â€œaudienceâ€ is terminally stupid, this is the bedrock assumption of contemporary â€œrhetoric.â€  Literature attempts to tell the Truth by probing (as Melville said) at the â€œaxis of reality.â€  How â€œvagueâ€ is that?  

But â€œguiding your readerâ€ through such heavy thoughts as â€œsmoking on campusâ€ or â€œcollege sportsâ€ prepares one for pursuit of excellence or some such pabulum. 

ALL are punished!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hereâ€™s the deal straight up:  the way we are taught to teach â€œwritingâ€ is an empty box slathered with bullshit.  Want proof?  Read almost any book on â€œComposition and Rhetoric.â€  You will be drilled with the dullest dictum on the most monolithically mundane minutiae in the universe.  Itâ€™s bad enough that these yaks are â€œteaching writing.â€  Whatâ€™s worse is that they think they can do it.  </p>
<p>And dig this:  they hate Literature.  Itâ€™s no big secret that thereâ€™s a great divide in the â€œEnglishâ€ department between those who teach â€œcompositionâ€ and those who teach Literature.  We Comp grunts are the poor handmaidens, doing (what Robert Scholes calls) the â€œshitworkâ€ of the English department.  Hardly any Comp â€œexpertsâ€ will admit in their tedious tomes that they hate Literature.  Only in the hallway.  </p>
<p>No, they like the stand-up â€œjournalismâ€ style of writingâ€¦ the inverted triangleâ€¦ piss on a page.  Lead your brainless reader by the nose; give them â€œobjective facts.â€  Writers in the â€œscientificâ€ disciplines blow these hacks in the weeds.  Hacks still donâ€™t get it.  â€œContentâ€ means nothing.  Packaging is everything.  In a sense they are right.  If you look at the horseshit that passes for â€œpublic discourse,â€ you might almost believe them.  </p>
<p>Please donâ€™t.  In our obsession with â€œaudience,â€ we are teaching â€œspin.â€  â€œSpinâ€ is not writing.  Itâ€™s bullshit.  So if you cover bullshit with chocolate, you can get your â€œaudienceâ€ to eat it?  Only if your â€œaudienceâ€ is terminally stupid, this is the bedrock assumption of contemporary â€œrhetoric.â€  Literature attempts to tell the Truth by probing (as Melville said) at the â€œaxis of reality.â€  How â€œvagueâ€ is that?  </p>
<p>But â€œguiding your readerâ€ through such heavy thoughts as â€œsmoking on campusâ€ or â€œcollege sportsâ€ prepares one for pursuit of excellence or some such pabulum. </p>
<p>ALL are punished!</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2006/04/03/cccc06-bullshit/#comment-23860</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I'll bite, Alan: why &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; there no more English majors? It sounds like you're trying to say something about the content or quality of Amy's presentation, but unfortunately, your comment is rather vague.

Someone indeed might look at the &lt;em&gt;Chronicle&lt;/em&gt; and note that English majors comprised 53,162 bachelors degrees out of a total of 1,291,900 -- or roughly 4.1 percent. Is that "no more English majors"? Perhaps compared to the 21.9 percent who major in Business and Marketing -- but is Engineering in crisis, as well, with only 4.6 percent of total baccalaureate degrees? Computers and Information Sciences, with only 3.6 percent? Mathematics and Architecture, both with less than 1 percent?

And what &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; the cause-effect relationship you're pointing out? Does something about my account of Robillard's presentation suggest some sort of crisis to you? And here I was under the impression that the 400 percent ramp-up in the overproduction of English PhDs through the 1960s and 1970s, and the subsequent job market bust to the point today where we've got a 46 percent job placement rate for PhDs in the field, was our significant logistical problem.

But apparently you'd locate what you seem to think is some sort of crisis in the nature of Robillard's presentation. Can you be more explicit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ll bite, Alan: why <em>are</em> there no more English majors? It sounds like you&#8217;re trying to say something about the content or quality of Amy&#8217;s presentation, but unfortunately, your comment is rather vague.</p>
<p>Someone indeed might look at the <em>Chronicle</em> and note that English majors comprised 53,162 bachelors degrees out of a total of 1,291,900 &#8212; or roughly 4.1 percent. Is that &#8220;no more English majors&#8221;? Perhaps compared to the 21.9 percent who major in Business and Marketing &#8212; but is Engineering in crisis, as well, with only 4.6 percent of total baccalaureate degrees? Computers and Information Sciences, with only 3.6 percent? Mathematics and Architecture, both with less than 1 percent?</p>
<p>And what <em>is</em> the cause-effect relationship you&#8217;re pointing out? Does something about my account of Robillard&#8217;s presentation suggest some sort of crisis to you? And here I was under the impression that the 400 percent ramp-up in the overproduction of English PhDs through the 1960s and 1970s, and the subsequent job market bust to the point today where we&#8217;ve got a 46 percent job placement rate for PhDs in the field, was our significant logistical problem.</p>
<p>But apparently you&#8217;d locate what you seem to think is some sort of crisis in the nature of Robillard&#8217;s presentation. Can you be more explicit?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And people wonder why there are no more English majors.....</description>
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		<title>By: Dorothea</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2006/04/03/cccc06-bullshit/#comment-23853</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hum. I don't think one needs to be (or claim to be) working-class to consider some academic rhetoric bullshit. There's definitely a relationship, there -- I'm just not sure it fractures along class lines.

But hell, we all know I'm disillusioned from 'way back. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hum. I don&#8217;t think one needs to be (or claim to be) working-class to consider some academic rhetoric bullshit. There&#8217;s definitely a relationship, there &#8212; I&#8217;m just not sure it fractures along class lines.</p>
<p>But hell, we all know I&#8217;m disillusioned from &#8216;way back. <img src='http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2006/04/03/cccc06-bullshit/#comment-23847</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shit, wish I would have caught the session.</description>
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		<title>By: aerobil</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2006/04/03/cccc06-bullshit/#comment-23845</link>
		<dc:creator>aerobil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mike, for making my talk sound so damn smart. You're quite the excellent summarizer. I'm glad you saw the "bullshit" as deadpan and academic; if only I'd been able to use the term "word-wanking" as nicely as you do here. I'm gonna practice it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mike, for making my talk sound so damn smart. You&#8217;re quite the excellent summarizer. I&#8217;m glad you saw the &#8220;bullshit&#8221; as deadpan and academic; if only I&#8217;d been able to use the term &#8220;word-wanking&#8221; as nicely as you do here. I&#8217;m gonna practice it.</p>
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