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	<title>Comments on: Teaching Bartleby</title>
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	<description>faults &#124; sins &#124; abuses</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2008/03/11/teaching-bartleby/#comment-128161</link>
		<dc:creator>bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll let you know how it goes in my class. We don't start until the first week of April, and then it will take a few weeks to get to Bartleby. We also do Billy Budd, which I've come to love more and more, even more than I love Bartleby. But my students are like you were, not quite getting it. I'm sure I didn't get it the first time, and maybe I still don't, but I've always loved both those stories. I hope I remember to come back and read what others have written when it gets to be Bartleby time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll let you know how it goes in my class. We don&#8217;t start until the first week of April, and then it will take a few weeks to get to Bartleby. We also do Billy Budd, which I&#8217;ve come to love more and more, even more than I love Bartleby. But my students are like you were, not quite getting it. I&#8217;m sure I didn&#8217;t get it the first time, and maybe I still don&#8217;t, but I&#8217;ve always loved both those stories. I hope I remember to come back and read what others have written when it gets to be Bartleby time.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2008/03/11/teaching-bartleby/#comment-127791</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, one section was perfect, and I knew they would be: they're the serious section, the smart, engaged, dutiful ones. They went the whole time, and I trusted they would -- and I think they trusted me, knowing it had a purpose, as Collie's pointed out. It went perfectly, and I think we were all pleased that it did.

The other section, the section that's a little more enthusiastic, boisterous, playful, they got it to the point of trying to get me to say something rather than talking about Bartleby where I had to break character and do a very brief redirect around minute 35, and I think both they and I were disappointed by that break, even though it was me just saying, "No; focus." But that disappointment -- there were a few seconds of silence -- I think itself helped get discussion back on track, and got them into performing some genuinely wild interpretive moves by the end of class.

I think that connects to what Collie and Joanna are talking about, and what Rob's asking. I didn't have a plan B -- or, OK, since this is Bartleby, a plan C. I felt bad that I even had to do that brief redirect, but I'm also lucky that I have cadets -- and these are plebes -- who are conditioned by their position in the Academy's hierarchy to be &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; attentive to following instructions.

Which connects to another reason why I think the lesson was so successful, despite that break in one class. For plebes at the Academy, "Bartleby" is a very alien story, as is the notion of an instructor who breaks his role and refuses to tell them what to do. There was something exhilarating about skating out there on that pedagogical ice, for them and me.

They were amazed when I showed them the notes -- five pages, single-spaced -- I'd typed up as they were talking: "We said all that?" And, in fact, yesterday I had them go back to the notes in small groups and use them, along with quotations from the story, to support a reading they constructed for the text. They put their readings ("Bartleby is a martyr for capitalism"; "'Bartleby' is a story about individual isolation'"; "'Bartleby' is concerned with the responsibility people have for each other") up on the board, and relevant quotations from the notes of what they'd said and from the story to support those readings, and they came up with some stuff that was just remarkable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, one section was perfect, and I knew they would be: they&#8217;re the serious section, the smart, engaged, dutiful ones. They went the whole time, and I trusted they would &#8212; and I think they trusted me, knowing it had a purpose, as Collie&#8217;s pointed out. It went perfectly, and I think we were all pleased that it did.</p>
<p>The other section, the section that&#8217;s a little more enthusiastic, boisterous, playful, they got it to the point of trying to get me to say something rather than talking about Bartleby where I had to break character and do a very brief redirect around minute 35, and I think both they and I were disappointed by that break, even though it was me just saying, &#8220;No; focus.&#8221; But that disappointment &#8212; there were a few seconds of silence &#8212; I think itself helped get discussion back on track, and got them into performing some genuinely wild interpretive moves by the end of class.</p>
<p>I think that connects to what Collie and Joanna are talking about, and what Rob&#8217;s asking. I didn&#8217;t have a plan B &#8212; or, OK, since this is Bartleby, a plan C. I felt bad that I even had to do that brief redirect, but I&#8217;m also lucky that I have cadets &#8212; and these are plebes &#8212; who are conditioned by their position in the Academy&#8217;s hierarchy to be <em>very</em> attentive to following instructions.</p>
<p>Which connects to another reason why I think the lesson was so successful, despite that break in one class. For plebes at the Academy, &#8220;Bartleby&#8221; is a very alien story, as is the notion of an instructor who breaks his role and refuses to tell them what to do. There was something exhilarating about skating out there on that pedagogical ice, for them and me.</p>
<p>They were amazed when I showed them the notes &#8212; five pages, single-spaced &#8212; I&#8217;d typed up as they were talking: &#8220;We said all that?&#8221; And, in fact, yesterday I had them go back to the notes in small groups and use them, along with quotations from the story, to support a reading they constructed for the text. They put their readings (&#8221;Bartleby is a martyr for capitalism&#8221;; &#8220;&#8216;Bartleby&#8217; is a story about individual isolation&#8217;&#8221;; &#8220;&#8216;Bartleby&#8217; is concerned with the responsibility people have for each other&#8221;) up on the board, and relevant quotations from the notes of what they&#8217;d said and from the story to support those readings, and they came up with some stuff that was just remarkable.</p>
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		<title>By: joanna</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2008/03/11/teaching-bartleby/#comment-127769</link>
		<dc:creator>joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that trying this out would depend on my class--not necessarily the course.  Some groups would get it, others wouldn't and would either leave or get off track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that trying this out would depend on my class&#8211;not necessarily the course.  Some groups would get it, others wouldn&#8217;t and would either leave or get off track.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2008/03/11/teaching-bartleby/#comment-127764</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

I had wondered if you set up guidelines for yourself prior to the class.  To be specific, did you know at what point you would have ended your silence if things went wrong or became horribly sidetracked?  What if the students decided they wanted to discuss something other than bartleby?  At what point would you intercede?  You asked the questions about how other students might have handled it, but I am curious to find out how you might have handled other students.  I always enjoyed professors who took a different route and tried something new.  Good for you, Mike!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I had wondered if you set up guidelines for yourself prior to the class.  To be specific, did you know at what point you would have ended your silence if things went wrong or became horribly sidetracked?  What if the students decided they wanted to discuss something other than bartleby?  At what point would you intercede?  You asked the questions about how other students might have handled it, but I am curious to find out how you might have handled other students.  I always enjoyed professors who took a different route and tried something new.  Good for you, Mike!</p>
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		<title>By: Collie</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2008/03/11/teaching-bartleby/#comment-127691</link>
		<dc:creator>Collie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike!  That's so cool.  I agree with Michelle, the discipline you showed with keeping your mouth shut and your fingers flying instead is incredible.  

What's also cool is that you behaved unexpectedly and they rose to the occasion.  They must have trusted you to have a purpose for disrupting your normal classroom roles.   You mention obedience and motivation and the peculiarities of your institution.  But it also seems like we can only successfully back away from overt leadership under circumstances of pretty deeply cultivated trust.    Would this have worked the second week of the semester, even with these motivated, obedient students?  Would you have trusted them to step into the authority void (if that's what it was) before?  What signs did you use to judge whether you all were ready to experiment in this way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike!  That&#8217;s so cool.  I agree with Michelle, the discipline you showed with keeping your mouth shut and your fingers flying instead is incredible.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s also cool is that you behaved unexpectedly and they rose to the occasion.  They must have trusted you to have a purpose for disrupting your normal classroom roles.   You mention obedience and motivation and the peculiarities of your institution.  But it also seems like we can only successfully back away from overt leadership under circumstances of pretty deeply cultivated trust.    Would this have worked the second week of the semester, even with these motivated, obedient students?  Would you have trusted them to step into the authority void (if that&#8217;s what it was) before?  What signs did you use to judge whether you all were ready to experiment in this way?</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2008/03/11/teaching-bartleby/#comment-127635</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS that's cool that you're teaching the American Lit course. I was so focused on mostly medieval and renaissance works while in school that I, too, often find myself rediscovering American texts, especially those prior to modernism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS that&#8217;s cool that you&#8217;re teaching the American Lit course. I was so focused on mostly medieval and renaissance works while in school that I, too, often find myself rediscovering American texts, especially those prior to modernism.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2008/03/11/teaching-bartleby/#comment-127634</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's excellent. I really admire the fact that you managed to keep quiet and transcribe for the entire class.  It sounds like a highly successful exercise and one which will help your students to see the value of their own independent work. 

I use the opening paragraph of Bartleby in a dictionary exercise in my developmental class!  I try to work in various methods to expose my developmental writing students to what they'll encounter down the road.  This semester, we are reading &lt;em&gt;The Secret Life of Bees&lt;/em&gt; during the last month, and their final essay will be in response to an (unformulated) question related on that.  On this count, my choice wound up being rather fortuitous for me because they're making a movie next year starring, among others, Queen Latifah, Jennifer Hudson, and Dakota Fanning (as the protagonist).  Can't beat that for a selling point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s excellent. I really admire the fact that you managed to keep quiet and transcribe for the entire class.  It sounds like a highly successful exercise and one which will help your students to see the value of their own independent work. </p>
<p>I use the opening paragraph of Bartleby in a dictionary exercise in my developmental class!  I try to work in various methods to expose my developmental writing students to what they&#8217;ll encounter down the road.  This semester, we are reading <em>The Secret Life of Bees</em> during the last month, and their final essay will be in response to an (unformulated) question related on that.  On this count, my choice wound up being rather fortuitous for me because they&#8217;re making a movie next year starring, among others, Queen Latifah, Jennifer Hudson, and Dakota Fanning (as the protagonist).  Can&#8217;t beat that for a selling point.</p>
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