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	<title>Comments on: More About David Foster Wallace</title>
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		<title>By: bonnie lenore kyburz</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2008/09/15/more-about-david-foster-wallace/#comment-142825</link>
		<dc:creator>bonnie lenore kyburz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yay, Joanna! i&#039;m always happy to win a convert ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yay, Joanna! i&#8217;m always happy to win a convert <img src='http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: joanna</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2008/09/15/more-about-david-foster-wallace/#comment-142779</link>
		<dc:creator>joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll give him a try, Bonnie.  Honest.  I will.  I&#039;m pretty impressed with your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll give him a try, Bonnie.  Honest.  I will.  I&#8217;m pretty impressed with your post.</p>
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		<title>By: bonnie lenore kyburz</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2008/09/15/more-about-david-foster-wallace/#comment-142721</link>
		<dc:creator>bonnie lenore kyburz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joanna,

see, when i read your post i think that you *must* read DFW -- to see what you are missing and how your comment might be missing out and that “That line between emotion and critical self-consciousness” is the razor-thin space from which DFW most often writes, and it&#039;s not even a line because he does such a fantastic job of creating a more expansive space for the work that goes on there. i find DFW masterful at *both* offering a critique (of, say, the Maine Lobster Festival or Cruises -- oh, and that story is, i&#039;m pretty sure, also the collection&#039;s title, &quot;A Supposedly Fun Thing I&#039;ll Never Do Again&quot;) *and* intense, personal reflection, earnest reflection that conceds and wanders and postures and then implodes so that is maybe says &quot;i don&#039;t know,&quot; but here&#039;s what it seemed/ felt like to expeirence it (said feeling and seeming fully detailed so that readers might begin to consider the matter instead of simply accepting his take). the reflection comes at the cost of authorial confidence, but isn&#039;t authorial confidence so often repugnant? i teach, instead, as we all likely do, a rhetoric of inquiry that works to craft writing that performs the deep moments of insecurity about a subject, moments that enable *actual* critical reflection instead of merely posturing or ranting or narrow, cliched padding. 

i hope you read Consider the Lobster, or SFTNDA or *anything* from Brief Interviews with Hideous Men (we have that on tape, DFW reading; i haven&#039;t listened since the news of his suicide, which is still wrecking me).

but so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joanna,</p>
<p>see, when i read your post i think that you *must* read DFW &#8212; to see what you are missing and how your comment might be missing out and that “That line between emotion and critical self-consciousness” is the razor-thin space from which DFW most often writes, and it&#8217;s not even a line because he does such a fantastic job of creating a more expansive space for the work that goes on there. i find DFW masterful at *both* offering a critique (of, say, the Maine Lobster Festival or Cruises &#8212; oh, and that story is, i&#8217;m pretty sure, also the collection&#8217;s title, &#8220;A Supposedly Fun Thing I&#8217;ll Never Do Again&#8221;) *and* intense, personal reflection, earnest reflection that conceds and wanders and postures and then implodes so that is maybe says &#8220;i don&#8217;t know,&#8221; but here&#8217;s what it seemed/ felt like to expeirence it (said feeling and seeming fully detailed so that readers might begin to consider the matter instead of simply accepting his take). the reflection comes at the cost of authorial confidence, but isn&#8217;t authorial confidence so often repugnant? i teach, instead, as we all likely do, a rhetoric of inquiry that works to craft writing that performs the deep moments of insecurity about a subject, moments that enable *actual* critical reflection instead of merely posturing or ranting or narrow, cliched padding. </p>
<p>i hope you read Consider the Lobster, or SFTNDA or *anything* from Brief Interviews with Hideous Men (we have that on tape, DFW reading; i haven&#8217;t listened since the news of his suicide, which is still wrecking me).</p>
<p>but so.</p>
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		<title>By: bonnie lenore kyburz</title>
		<link>http://www.vitia.org/wordpress/2008/09/15/more-about-david-foster-wallace/#comment-142532</link>
		<dc:creator>bonnie lenore kyburz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when you say: &quot;[...]  how hard one had to work for that unvarnished an account, and how what seemed like narcissism was its opposite, its undercutting. And not just its opposite, but something more: a scrupulous, sometimes obsessive concern with what was ethical in writing [...]&quot;, you get after it, Mike. agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when you say: &#8220;[...]  how hard one had to work for that unvarnished an account, and how what seemed like narcissism was its opposite, its undercutting. And not just its opposite, but something more: a scrupulous, sometimes obsessive concern with what was ethical in writing [...]&#8220;, you get after it, Mike. agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read _Girl with Curious Hair_ in college and I thought that he was a genius, and possibly dangerous. I was upset by the title story. But then I read &quot;Little Expressionless Animals&quot; and I thought, here is a person who is perhaps crazy in the same ways that I am, and it gave me hope.

I read &quot;Shipping Out&quot; (is that the title of the cruise article?) and thought, my students (I was teaching creative writing at the time) need to see this. This is word choice as ethics. They complained that it was too long, and they didn&#039;t see the point, and I felt helpless and frustrated.

I lent my copy of _A Supposedly Fun Thing_ to someone years ago, and I don&#039;t remember whom, and I want it back.

My first cat, Niamh, was a rescue from the woods near Ann Arbor. When I first got her, she wouldn&#039;t let me near her. She lived in the bathroom (I had an efficiency), and I used to sit in there and read to her while she huddled behind the toilet. Later, when she became my constant companion, I got two more kittens and she taught them both to hunt. She would catch a mole and then let it shamble around the driveway while the kittens, Alice and Flyer, clumsily tried to pin it and kill it. Every time the mole began to escape, Niamh would grab it and bring it back for another round. It was bloody, but I didn&#039;t stop them.

:: hugs :: to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read _Girl with Curious Hair_ in college and I thought that he was a genius, and possibly dangerous. I was upset by the title story. But then I read &#8220;Little Expressionless Animals&#8221; and I thought, here is a person who is perhaps crazy in the same ways that I am, and it gave me hope.</p>
<p>I read &#8220;Shipping Out&#8221; (is that the title of the cruise article?) and thought, my students (I was teaching creative writing at the time) need to see this. This is word choice as ethics. They complained that it was too long, and they didn&#8217;t see the point, and I felt helpless and frustrated.</p>
<p>I lent my copy of _A Supposedly Fun Thing_ to someone years ago, and I don&#8217;t remember whom, and I want it back.</p>
<p>My first cat, Niamh, was a rescue from the woods near Ann Arbor. When I first got her, she wouldn&#8217;t let me near her. She lived in the bathroom (I had an efficiency), and I used to sit in there and read to her while she huddled behind the toilet. Later, when she became my constant companion, I got two more kittens and she taught them both to hunt. She would catch a mole and then let it shamble around the driveway while the kittens, Alice and Flyer, clumsily tried to pin it and kill it. Every time the mole began to escape, Niamh would grab it and bring it back for another round. It was bloody, but I didn&#8217;t stop them.</p>
<p>:: hugs :: to you.</p>
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		<title>By: joanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t characterize this as maudlin--it&#039;s painful.  Painful to think of the cat family separated, painful to think of the lobster and of, of course, the pain that drove Wallace to kill himself.  Words seem like such gross (in the old sense of the word) material to use to describe feeling which has always seemed rather oblique and almost-beyond grasp.  &quot;That line between emotion and critical self-consciousness&quot; is a tantalizing thought--does awareness of emotion lead to thought and then taint it?

I don&#039;t know.  I also have to admit to never having read Wallace, so I am going to end here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t characterize this as maudlin&#8211;it&#8217;s painful.  Painful to think of the cat family separated, painful to think of the lobster and of, of course, the pain that drove Wallace to kill himself.  Words seem like such gross (in the old sense of the word) material to use to describe feeling which has always seemed rather oblique and almost-beyond grasp.  &#8220;That line between emotion and critical self-consciousness&#8221; is a tantalizing thought&#8211;does awareness of emotion lead to thought and then taint it?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know.  I also have to admit to never having read Wallace, so I am going to end here.</p>
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